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DIY/Homemade Geiger Muller Digital Counter V3


By Radu Motisan Posted on October 11th, 2012 , 4725 Views (Rate 18.82)



  


This article is the sum of multiple research results, and it was edited across almost one year. You can use the menu below to jump to the relevant parts, or start reading it in chronological order (newer posts are at the bottom).

Progress summary:
2012-05-25, Geiger Dosimeter (video)

Digital Geiger Dosimeter:
2012-09-02, Digital Geiger Dosimeter
2012-09-11, Update on Atmega8 Timers and Counters
2012-09-15, Update on Issues with Timer1
2012-09-16, 400V Inverter Instability Issues fixed
2012-10-11, Some enc28j60 remarks
2012-10-12, Atmega168 up and running, first online beta test open
2012-10-18, Sensor board ready; Signal Capacitor (C7) comparison
2012-10-19, Device enclosure box ready
2012-10-20, The results
2012-11-11, Updates



May 25, 2012 - Geiger Dosimeter 3.2

Here's a video featuring version 3.2 of my geiger counter circuit, tested with several tubes:

I did some additional changes to my v2.0 simple geiger clicker, to improve it even further. See below the new 3.2 circuit diagram followed by some explanations. The ExpressSCH circuit diagram is here.

1. The High voltage supply
The goal is to have a counter working at 3V (2xAA batteries) with very little power consumption. This excludes using 555 timers or other fancy ICs. My choice is a feedback based one transistor oscillator. It provides 400V output, for 100mA at 3V.
I am using a ferrite core transformer, 17 turns for primary and 17 for the feedback coil, with 0.2mm CuEm wire. The secondary has 550turns with 0.1mm. The oscillator is operating at a frequency of aprox. 23KHz.

The transformer's output is rectified and multiplied by the 3 stages multiplier (10nF 1KV capacitors / BYV26E fast diode).
2. The voltage regulator
The geiger tube requires very precise voltages to operate. For this setup, I need to get 400V from this supply, regardless of variations in the input voltage (weak batteries, etc).
This task is achieved by the string of Zeners and the Q2 transistor. When the voltage produced by the multiplier exceeds the Zener threshold , the Q2 transistor opens, and pull down the base of Q1, stopping the oscillation. By doing so, the output voltage remains at a constant level, that equals the Zener threshold. The multiplier must produce a little more than the voltage that triggers the zener string.
3. Connecting the Geiger tube
An essential component is the Anode resistor (10M in my circuit). The resistor's minimum value, for any given tube, is specified in the datasheet, but it is a good practice to use a higher value where possible.
The anode resistor is responsible of the following:
- reduces the anode voltage when the tube is conducting. This allows the tube to recover after the discharge. Without this, the tube would conduct continuously and would be destroyed quickly.
- it limits the current flowing through the tube, leading to longer tube life
- it has an effect on the plateau length, a lower value of R1 gives a shorter plateau length [1]

For the pulse signal, there are two connection options:

Anode signal connection



This type of connecting is not preferred:
- at switch on, a high voltage transient will be fed to the measuring circuit, resulting in additional protection requirements.
- noise in high voltage rail, will be fed to the measuring circuit via R3.
Cathode signal connection



Centronics' "Geiger tube theory" recommends using the cathode connection whenever possible [1]. R2/R1 should be 1/45, taking into account a large value for R1 as explained above (eg. 10M).

4. Measuring circuits
With the cathode connection, the measuring circuit's task will be to count and evaluate the positive pulses connected at the cathode resistor R2.
For the circuit v3.2, we will collect the signal, in point A, at the emitter of transistor Q4. Here is how the pulses look like:

I was able to successfully connect it to my CD4026 digital counter , as seen in the video. It works great as a counter showing the individual pulses.

The final setup for v3.2:

References
[1] CENTRONIC , Geiger Muller Tubes, link



September 2, 2012 - Digital Geiger Dosimeter v3.3

For this update, my goal is to go digital. I need to use a microcontroller to take care of everything: regulated high voltage invertor using PWM and ADC voltage feedback, a timer to count seconds, a counter for tube pulses, and finally an Ethernet interface to export data via a network.
The result will be an Internet connected Geiger Counter, collecting various data and provided graphs over large periods of time.
I am planning to use the Atmega8 microcontroller, and push the little program space to its limits.
The Ethernet part is complete, and has been presented here: Atmega8 and enc28J60 for Ethernet support.
...
A few hours later, I got a timer and a counter working on the Atmega8, so now I can measure time and also count the pulses coming from the tube . This gives us the dose measured in cpm, sweet first results!

All's left to do is to integrate the HV supply to the uC's circuit, using a simple PWM driver with feedback.



September 11, 2012 - Atmega8 Timers and Counters

I did some progress on the HV inverter needed for the tube. I will have to stick to 400V . The project will be boxed and placed on a remote location outside. From there it will collect data and build various graphs. I have the geiger couter , a temperature sensor, a humidity sensor and a light intensity one. If anyone has other ideas on additional hardware that I should pack in, now it's the right time to say it.

A future project might be having a geiger counter dosimeter with multiple tubes, etc, and a nice LCD display to output the data. Or even some kind of "lab-tool" for testing the tubes.

Multiple pulses happen, and would be good to measure them correctly. This is called discrimination. The following pics show a few such pulses, as recorded with the oscilloscope:

A little update on my progress. I managed to put the microcontroller software together. As I am using an ATMega8, I opted for the following:
- INT0 interrupt to count all incoming pulses on raising edge. I do not have any discriminator yet.
- T0 timer to count passing time. I configured it to generate 1.024ms events, so 976 such events will count for a second.
- T1 timer to generate PWM signal. I got it to accept variable frequency and duty factor. I will probably go for 40KHz to drive a little 2n2222 transistor that pumps the primary of a small ferrite core transformer:

I noticed that without any protection, I will get voltage spikes in the microcontroller circuit, measured at PB1, where the PWM signal is provided (spike backs from the ferrite transformer, most likely). So a fast diode, used as snubber was needed across the primary of the small ferrite transformer . See the following images, first without and second with protection:

I still have some issues:
1. I almost used all the program memory available for the atmega8 and still need to code some additional routines. I might be forced to move to a more capable uC. I'll try to optimize and reduce code before I have to do anything like that.
2. There's some interference, between the timer1 PWM, with the ISP interface that handles the Ethernet module:

Because of that, the microcontroller hangs at some times. This is extremely annoying considering I need to have this project as a remote box running for large periods of time.
Some of the factors that are causing this:
- bigger duty cycle (timer1's PWM)
- some delays in the software's main loop
- reading ADC ports : I need to read them for sensors, and for checking the inverter voltage. The inverter produces roughly 400V when powered on. The voltage is read using one ADC port. If the voltage is less then required, the duty cycle is increased. If the voltage is bigger then the target set, the duty cycle is decreased.

I will find the cause of this eventually. As it is now, the software opens a TCP/IP socket on port 80 where it exposes some HTML content. So it is a small WEB Server, where you can see some details such as number of times it was accessed, pings received, time since startup, number of counts, CPM, and the dose in uSv/h , estimated for the SBM-19 tube.
Instead of this functionality, which I needed only for testing, the final software needs to work as a client, not a server. After computing all the sensor data locally (including the radiation dose), it will send it online, to a script running on my webpage. So instead of opening a port and waiting for incoming connections, the idea is to have it open a connecting to my server and export the data there. Easy. I believe the timing issues that currently lock my uC from time to time, will be resolved, as having an ongoing connection instead of keeping a port open is better.

Here's a photo showing the software run on a test board, with a LCD hooked up for showing the dose in uSv/h :)



September 15, 2012: v3.3.100 - Issues with Timer1

I decided to set numbers for these updates to help organize it better. So this is 3.3.100.
I've been working on the inverter. It seems I'll be able to have it run in a very wide range of values. This is thanks to a new ferrite core transformer that I made: A22 ferite core (it is really small, 1cm diameter), 16 turns primary with 0.2mm wire, and 600 turns secondary with 0.1mm wire. It is driven by a PN2222A generic transistor, using the 5V rail.
The output is fully rectified using 4 fast diodes set in a bridge. No multiplier required! :)

I made some tests with various frequencies. Here are some results, yellow/CH1 is at the PB1 pin, while cyan/CH2 is the inverter output:

40KHZ, duty:16% 396V, duty:35% 792V

20KHz, duty:10% 396V, duty:15% 616V

10KHz, duty:1% 200V, duty:16% 768V

I will probably choose a 20KHz frequency to set it out of the audible spectrum. The driving signal seems a little distorted, as I am still getting some spike backs from the ferrite transformer. I should fix this as well.

I'm still having issues when using the enc28J60 code together with the Timer1 PWM code. So either I have the Ethernet interface, either I have the PWM signal for the HV inverter. Sometimes it works, but not very stable. Here is the current circuit diagram, version 3.3.100:

I got some interesting results, and good news on the same time. Using a 8x prescalling when setting the Timer1 PWM, seems to allow the code to work together with the enc28j60, as expected. So this seems a good starting point, too bad I don't know the exact cause of these issues. Code for enc28j60 is rather complex , already.



September 16, 2012 - v3.3.101 - 400V Inverter Instability Issues fixed

I finally fixed the instability problems, the network module / PWM interference, and most of the issues I've mentioned before.
The problem was improper filtering in two key points:
1. The inverter's driver needed a little protection from those spike backs. For this I used two resistors at the inverter's driver base , and a little choke between the transformer's primary and the positive rail. This solved the spike backs, CH1/yellow at PB1, CH2/cyan inverter output:

Notice the PWM waveform still seems a little shaky at the top.
2. Voltage regulators (5V and the 3.3V), needed a few electrolytic caps

Now the PWM looks much better (have a quick look to the previous oscilloscope screens), and the circuit performs as expected, seems like the Ethernet module was greatly influenced by all the variations and improper filtering.
Here is the new schematic, v3.3.101:

This works great, finally! I am able to adjust the duty cycle and get perfectly regulated high voltage needed for the geiger tube. The voltage feedback reading with ADC will be used to adjust the duty cycle automatically: increase it if voltage is less than 400V (or any other target voltage), or decrease it to lower the output voltage, if more than 400V is being generated.
Compared to V3.2, the ripple is almost zero! See the two photos below:

The first, shows my version 3.2 inverter output, that uses a NPN oscillating transistor in an Armstrong oscillator, and a feedback mechanism constructed with zenner diodes set for 400V, that triggers an oscillator-blocking second transistor. Illustrated as trace for CH1 - yellow, set for 400V.
The second shows the output in 3.3, fully rectified and produced by a a precisely calculated PWM signal. See the CH2, cyan trace, set for 350V. That was only for testing, as the feedback mechanism now sets the voltage for 400V.



October 11, 2012 - Some enc28j60 remarks

For now just a few observations:
The ENC28J60 will work without the 74LS125N buffer just fine, assuming you don't have other devices connected over SPI. This simplifies things a bit. I also did minor changes on the ENC28J60 code and now the stability is much improved. Can be seen here.
Now a bigger problem is that I've consumed most of ATmega8's flash memory, and still need to do some additional programing. This forces me to move one step higher , to the Atmega168 microcontroller, featuring 16KB of flash memory, instead of ATmega8's 8KB.
Still , it will be possible to use the Atmega8 for a standalone dosimeter, with 1 tube, LCD screen, and built in high voltage power supply. But not if we want the ENC28J60 ethernet interface, like for this project.



October 12, 2012 - Atmega168 up and running, first online beta test open

Some news. Got the new little board up an running, featuring an Atmega168 micocontroller instead of the original Atmega8, because the TCP/IP stack was already consuming 7KB of our Atmega8's 8KB total flash memory. Besides the network stack, I need to drive the HV inverter, check the HV value for regularization, count the time and the pulses, do some logic on those values, and so on... additional programming that would not fit in the Atmega8.

What should have been a simple task, since the 168 has the same pin layout like the Atmega8, ended up as a mess, wasting two days of my time. I will structure the findings and indicate the critical issues, in case others will walk this path.

In the end, it works... not yet in the final form, as I need to build charts and store the data, add sensors, and lots of bells and whistles, BUT, here is how it looks like:

The software computes a CPM value based on a 5seconds time constant and displays the corresponding Sieverts/Hour dose in regards to the SBM-19 Geiger tube characteristics.

The board is currently up and running for a stability test, and can be accessed over the internet, here (edit: test ended). Give it a run, and let me know what you think!

Issues migrating from Atmega8 to Atmega168:
1. Atmega168 will not work with enc28J60, unless you use PB2 for CS. Atmega8 did not have this issue, which cost me two days to figure out. If PB2 is not used, the Atmega168 will hang in enc28j60Init, when doing the first enc28j60WriteOp, because the waitspi(); never gets to finish.
2. Keep the code inside interrupt callbacks light: the T0 interrupt was computing some time related values, but also reading the ADC port for voltage regularization. This crashed my uC until I moved the ADC reading code to the main loop.
3. Keep the strings to a minimum, since the RAM is extremely limited. Buffer overflows are hard to debug on a microcontroller. So are the other memory related issues. Double check, triple check or rewrite the code differently.
...


After 2 hours the device is still running with good stability. The absolute CPM given by my background radiation is 90 cpm . A very raw conversion to uSv/h, based on SBM-19 characteristics, would give us 0.18uSv/h.

After 15hours of continuous use, the device is still functioning well. Here is another snapshot of the web interface. What's interesting is the absolute CPM, has dropped significantly. I wonder why.

Here is the setup so far:

Circuit diagram, v3.3.103

The signal is processed by a small preamplifier, with the two transistors 2n5551 and BC558, resulting in a positive pulse of 50-100uSec and 5V amplitude, that is fed to the microcontroller's interrupt INT0 pin: PD2.
Source code:
3.3.103, available on request
...
After 42Hours it is still up and running, so I would say stability has been proven for this circuit, and I will stop this test here:

...
Update October 14, 2012
Some news: I managed to successfully initiate a Tcp/ip connection from the Geiger counter to a PHP script on this blog. It's late now, but I have everything in place to start exporting data.



October 18, 2012 - Sensor board ready; Signal Capacitor (C7) comparison

I've completed the sensor board:

Sensors and microcontroller software are working together. This project was full of obstacles, almost every single step came with bugs and issues, but eventually my determination prevailed.
Finally , here's the data received on my server, comments added after #
id=1 #this is a simple id, in case I will build more of these devices
cip=192.168.2.153 #the local device IP obtained by DHCP - no network config required!
vol=400 #the voltage on tube
duty=74 #7.4% inverter's duty cycle responsible of the 400V produced - used in regularization
pulses=2463 #number of pulses counted since start up
s1t=22 #ds1820 sensor, this is temperature in degrees celsius
s2t=24 #dht11 sensor, temperature in degrees celsius
s2h=75 #dht11 sensor, relative humidity
s3l=19 #photodiode sensor, luminosity
td=0 #number of days since start up
th=0 #number of hours since startup
tm=16 #numer of minutes since startup
ts=41 #seconds from startup
cpm=72 #CPM for the last 5 seconds , just for debugging purposes
Note:absolute CPM would be 2463 / 16.6 ->148 cpm . a bit high I'd say
...
pulses=4166
th=0
tm=38
ts=11
absolute CPM after 38minutes: 109.63 cpm , it is getting closer to expected dose rate.
...
pulses=6323
th=1
tm=4
ts=1
absolute CPM after 1hour: 98cpm

Thanks to Stella on 4HV.org, I've changed the C7 Capacitor (see diagram 3.3.103) to a smaller value. As Stella kindly explained, "The larger the capacitor, the slower will be the rise and fall times of the pulse. I would have expected to see a capacitor of 20 - 100 pF here ", while I've used a huge 20nF capacitor!
This is now changed to a 33pF capacitor, and here is a comparison chart showing the pulse shape/length with three capacitors, while the tube is exposed to natural radiation, to a Am241 source, and to a Cs137 source:

The modification will show in the next circuit diagram update.



October 19, 2012 - Device enclosure box ready

Box is ready, completely made of PVC pipe plastic, after transforming a piece of pipe into a sheet and cutting it when heated:


I also created sockets, from the same plastic source, for the geiger tube:

The orange plastic is great, the finished box actually gives the impression of a very good quality plastic / case! Funny considering what materials I've used.



October 20, 2012 - The results

Final software adjustments have been made. A new SQL database has been configured on pocketmagic.net to receive the data from the online dosimeter. Box has been closed and sealed, then mounted outside my home. Drilling a hole in the outside wall allowed me to install the power and Ethernet cables.

Circuit diagram, v3.3.120:

Source code:
3.3.120, available on request

3.3.110 2:07 PM 10/23/2012
SERVER/php:
- final data export script: public.php . deleted clones
- standardization of export script parameters
- fixed interval: last value shown is last present value
- caching implemented and set to 2 min interval
- fixed bug with displaying last hour in chart
CLIENT/atmega168:
- s2 bug fix, for invalid >100 values
- luminosity computed in percents 0..1000
- time calculation fixed, g_nTimeMilis >= 960
- added isp external connector



November 11, 2012 - Updates

3.3.121 12:51 PM 10/28/2012
SERVER:
- added subdomain uradmonitor.pocketmagic.net
- fixed server downtime chart calculations: missing data time zones are skipped - the graph will simply jump to the next data available.
- added uSv/h
todo: add offline text if no fresh (>5min) data available
- 3 digits added to values. back to 2 digits.
- added redicted in pocketmagic.net/uradmonitor to uradmonitor.pocketmagic.net
- limits set on the PHP script parameters: 30 for interval and 24 for integration

3.3.122 2:18 PM 11/02/2012
SERVER:
- debug now shows duty cycle too.
CLIENT:
- changed the R5 resistor , as the original burned out (poor chinese quality)
- recalibrated the inverter voltage feedback, by measuring the new R5 value.
- placed safety limits for upper duty cycle percent interval: the burned R5 caused a voltage increase up to 800V!! No other components were harmed.

3.3.130 2:14 PM 11/11/2012
SERVER:
- added new graphs: pressure (bmp085) and temperature 3 (bmp085)
CLIENT:
- dht11 sensor replaced with dht22
- bmp085 sensor added
- new sensor PCB board
- new sensor board sun shield
- additional code for the new sensor and i2c bus connectivity
- atmega168 replaced with atmega328p

Photos of 3.3.130 update:



Circuit diagram 3.3.130



3.3.131 6:28PM 12/10/2012
SERVER:
CLIENT:
- time computing code updated
- dht22 issues below 0 degrees, because of issues in CRC computation

Source code: available on request


  

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19 Responses to “DIY/Homemade Geiger Muller Digital Counter V3”

  1. 1
    Pancake Geiger Muller Counter (russian CI14B/SI14B) -1- « PocketMagic:

    [...] January 8, 2012 See how to use this tube in a circuit, here. internet [...]

  2. 2
    Alex:

    Radu. Ajuta-ma si pe mine, te rog, cu diodele acelea BYV26E, nu le gasesc… ce pot pune in locul lor?
    Multam.

  3. 3
    Radu Motisan:

    Salut Alex,

    Cam orice diode rapide, cu recovery-ul sub 100nS.

  4. 4
    minimals:

    Sevus Radu .dar daca as vrea sa atasez un mA unde ar trebui montat?

  5. 5
    blue:

    Hi,

    What is the power rating of the zenner diodes?

    What voltage is the C5 capacitor?

    Thanks

  6. 6
    Radu:

    zenners are 0.5-1W max.

    C5 can be 1Kv or higher

  7. 7
    blue:

    Hi,

    I forgot to ask another questions.

    What is the power rating of the resistors you use?

    I see something diferent in the transformer. Primary and feedback would result in four wires to connect after winding, but i only see three in the schematic. Is it correct?

    I apolagize for the silly questions. I dont know much about eletronics

    Thanks

  8. 8
    Radu:

    In my design, the feedback coil is created as a continuation of the primary, so in other words, last primary turn is common with first feedback turn.

  9. 9
    blue:

    I cant find the BYV26E. Do you know of any that could replace it?

    Also cant find 120V zeners. Could i just use five 100v 1W zeners to reach 500 volts?

    Thanks

  10. 10
    Radu Motisan:

    instead of BYV26E use any fast recovery high voltage diode. Look for the recovery time, choose one under 100ns . UF4007 is a good alternative, if I remember correctly.

    yes you can use 5 100V zeners

  11. 11
    Eugene:

    What gauges should the primary, feedback, and secondary wires be in the transformer?

  12. 12
    ryan:

    I couldn’t find the 2nF 2Kv capacitors. Where can I find these? Thank you.

  13. 13
    Radu Motisan:

    at a shop.

    what other high voltage caps do you have? the values I gave are not critical

  14. 14
    ryan:

    Like a hardware store? None so far. What should the min-max be for capacitance and voltage?

  15. 15
    DIY/Homemade Geiger Muller Clicker V2.0 « PocketMagic:

    [...] By Radu Motisan Posted on January 8th, 2012 Update October 21, 2012: This design is obsolete. It will work, but it contains several mistakes. See the newer designs: V3.0 or V4.0. [...]

  16. 16
    uRADMonitor – Online remote radiation monitoring station « PocketMagic:

    [...]   « DIY/Homemade Geiger Muller Digital Counter V3 [...]

  17. 17
    Statie de monitorizare a radiatiei de fond in Timisoara « PocketMagic:

    [...] e accesibila aici. Detaliile de constructie, inclusiv schema electronica, pot fi accesate aici. Pentru intrebari sau alte detalii, va stau la dispozitie, puteti folosi sectiunea de comentarii de [...]

  18. 18
    Elektronika.ba:

    It would be great and interesting to have these spread all around the world!

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